A Prehistoric Qualification of Languages: Succinctness

I read this morning the essay Succinctness = Power [0] by Paul Graham which, so far, I find (note the present tense) to be quite smart. I can't believe he would use such a metric as lines of code or number of symbols as a meaningful metric to compare implementations with. He says that one of the goal of high level programming languages is to be more succinct for expressing a given amount of machine code. Of all people, I would expect that somebody who spent so much time with LISP would see the the fallacy. The idea and benefit of a high level language is that it allows you to think in higher level IDEAS. Those ideas can be implemented using half a machine code instruction or a thousand, it is of no relevance for its use. What IS relevant is whether the properties of that particular abstraction are good enough to fit in the context of the solutions but include very little (I am tempted to say none at all) information which does not pertain to the context it will be used in. And, finally, this is something LISP is interesting for because it drives home the message that those particular abstractions can be encapsulated in functions or data types but you can also build up the language to cover it too and It is not too say I prefer long solutions but I see succinctness as a consequence --and not the main one at that-- of a language's "power" (which I find to be a poor choice of adjective especially since he does not define how he uses it right away). Its real power lies in the variety of abstractions that one can define and use. If you exaggerate the aim for succinctness, you end up with APL or PERL which are notoriously bad. Their goal is not abstraction but packing as many operations in tiny expressions. As a consequence, those solutions are unreadable and they just seem like dignified way of writing short machine code. It gives no more flexibility and no more readability. This comment was mostly about the beginning the essay. I don't have much to say about the rest except that, at some points, he can expose some really nice insights but it really started off on the foot and I didn't expect the rest of the essay to compensate for that and, in my view, it didn't. [0] Paul Graham, Succinctness = Power, http://www.paulgraham.com/power.html Regards, Simon Hudon ETH Zürich August 6th 2010